Two sites are better than one

[Quickdraw]

Competition is good for the consumer. When one site has a monopoly on Thunderbird fans it’s easy for the people that run it to feel they are above the rules. When the other place got that way I quit rather than be beaten into submission. It’s too early to see if those moderators will tighten the noose even more or begin to follow the rules they themselves made. If I knew how to start a poll here we could vote:

o They will tighten the noose more hoping to quell an insurrection before it gets going
o They will stop being hypocrites and will abide by their own rules to avoid an insurrection

In any case it costs nothing to participate at both sites, and as long as both are viable, then neither site is likely to feel they are above the “rules.” I miss my friends but I just couldn’t stay anywhere the moderators are not bound by any rules at all other than; its our board, we do what we want, we don’t have to explain anything to you, if you don’t like it leave and, oh by the way, here’s another boot in the head. Thats what they did to me.

[AZ Yellowbird]

I don't know if you consider me a friend from the other place or not :D , but I'm here now also. I will continue to participate there, at least for the time being. I have seen a couple of things indicating that choice #1 in your poll is the winner.

[Quickdraw]

Yes, AZ you are a friend, and I especially admire that you used your same name from the other site and aren’t afraid of being tortured over there, for participating here.

EDIT P.S. If anyone is concerned about "burning bridges" just use another name to be safe. They can be downright cruel for no reason at all except you happen to step on the wrong persons toe.

[HKS]

Quickdraw,

I am one of the few people that know of your generous and unique contributions. Thank you very much.

I was cut off short on a thread between a couple of members arguments. I tried to defuse the situation. The next post after mine was somthing about hockey sticks. I knew it was hopeles to continue. It looked like I caused trouble when I was trying to help.





Originally posted by Quickdraw
Yes, AZ you are a friend, and I especially admire that you used your same name from the other site and aren’t afraid of being tortured over there, for participating here.

EDIT P.S. If anyone is concerned about "burning bridges" just use another name to be safe. They can be downright cruel for no reason at all except you happen to step on the wrong persons toe.

[Quickdraw]

Wow! I'm impressed that you too use your same handle - you must be a trouble maker also. <grin> Thank you for visiting.

Right now they are in damage control mode... they don't want ANY public mention of anything questionable. They want to "handle it via PM." That way they can threaten and lie to people about what went on, one-on-one. Anyone that wants to know the truth can ask me for copies of my email exchanges with the thugs.

Wouldn't you think people that escaped a dictatorship would be more sensitive to peoples need for freedom? What’s that saying about power corrupting?

Has any of the 20 odd clique members offered any explanation of where or when my supposed second warning came from?

[Sophia]

aka Donna

Hi Quickdraw, now how do we get 007 over here?

[Quickdraw]

Hi Donna!

Which 007? Tony007, Mrs007, or Lady007? :D

If they do come I hope they change their handles to Tony008, Mrs008, and Lady008, so they aren't recognized and get targeted by the gang of outlaws that claim to be "peace loving".

Right now they are throwing flower pedals and singing songs of Thunderbirds to take everyone’s mind off of their dictatorial methods. "If you have questions of concerns about freedom to have an opinion about anything non-Thunderbird please PM us so we can handle it eight-to-one”.

And you have to love everyone going into the off-topic forums saying "this is a diversion, lets stay on Thunderbird topics." Why would they venture away from the Thunderbird forums in the first place if that’s what they want to talk about?

[Sophia]

TonyV

[loochie]

Hi Quickdraw!

I'm here....changed my name just 'cause I'm not sure I like my old one! (Hi "Sophia", too!)

[Quickdraw]

Welcome Kathe and thank you for coming!

Please stick around and see if we can get this thing airborne....:D

I'm guessing Brad will get the firing squad next... The three of us will have to have a Chicago Outcast get together if it ever warms up...

:D

[Quickdraw]

Then its Sophia and not Donna?

Sophia, didn't we email back & forth a long time ago about car covers? The dealer told you your car came with one?

[loochie]

Originally posted by Quickdraw
Then its Sophia and not Donna?

It appears her username is "Sophia", but it is Donna. That's why I used quotes around her name :p

[Sophia]

Hi SunLuvn, actually it is Donna Sophia.
Wasn't I going to adopt you so I would have someone to leave my diamonds to? I was looking for your posts someplace else and noticed you hadn't been around much.

No Quick, you didn't email me a long time ago, it was just a couple of days ago, I sent you an email, and you answered me with the info about the other emails. I am the one that had a couple of ministers wishing I would die and go to Hell. That is how I found about this forum. Am I going to get kicked off for saying that?

I must have a sick sence of humor, every time I opened my mouth over there, I got yelled at. Oh, about the ministers thing, I guarantee I am a lot closer to heaven than they will ever be.

Now..... I am having trouble logging on here. It says Access Denied, there is no such person as Sophia. I even tried to see if I had messed up on my password, and tried to get it emailed to me. I typed in my name, and not the email address. Still says I don't exist.

How did I get here then???? I am clicking on the link from my email message telling me (yes me, the non person) that you guys have posted. Good thing, or I wouldn't be getting on here.

[Sophia]

Kept trying and now I can logon. Life is good!

[Quickdraw]

>>>Now..... I am having trouble logging on here. It says Access Denied,

By posting a message I think you are in as far as it gets, my password doesn't work at some of the areas either. This place needs fixing up a bit but I think it can be re-habbed.

Sorry Donna, I even had to look up your email to recognize you - that was four days ago and I've had quite a lot of correspondence lately. You are the only Donna so I don't really have an excuse for not remembering. <grin>

I am the one that had a couple of ministers wishing I would die and go to Hell.
How'd you like to have 8 to 10 moderators, their spouses, and their friends wishing you'd die and go to hell?

[Sophia]

Good one!
I was expecting to see Brad here tonight!

[loochie]

Okay, now that we've got that cleared up,.....it's good to hear from you again, Donna. I missed your postings elsewhere, and as you mentioned, I myself haven't "spoken up" much either.

As far as logging on here, I find that if I get to the user cp page and log in there, it works everytime :D

Quickdraw, I guess you can ignore my reply to your pm, as the Donna mystery is solved!

[Sophia]

Thanks, it worked, I just added it to my favorites list.

[AZ Yellowbird]

Originally posted by loochie
As far as logging on here, I find that if I get to the user cp page and log in there, it works everytime :D

That is the only way I have found to log on so far. Is there an easier way? Also, any way to keep it from asking me if I want to bookmark it every time I visit?

[Sophia]

I am at work now, and don't have the address on my favorites list here. Am getting access denied by trying the member logon button.
:confused:
I finally got on by clicking on send a PM to someone. My name and password was accepted that way.
:eek:

[Brad]

LOL....Speaking of Brad being on the firing squad next....Are you guys psychic or something? (I already know you are psycho).

I haven't even been posting much over there lately, and I got the dreaded warning that points to a deleted thread that you can't even see the topic of.

It will be interesting to see if I get subsequent warnings even though I haven't posted anything.


Man oh man did I walk into a landmine over there. I had no idea you guys had so much history.

BTW...Hi Kathe

[Quickdraw]

They emailed me that I had been issued another warning and was now BANNED, and if I have questions to email one of the adiminstrators. Of course the "warning" (if there was one) must have been a PM that I can't read because I'm banned. Plus three days now Ive been asking if BANNING is "forever" and I guess they haven't figured it out yet as they haven't answered.

You may have gotten a warning for not wishing blkmuskrat a happy birthday.

[Sophia]

Then.....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EVERYONE!!!
How's that Quickdraw, I should be covered.
Hi Brad, I have been expecting you since 2-9-4 (see previous message). You are a little late.

Maybe we should just all put a couple of warnings by our names, them we can just let our hair down and nobody will have to baby-sit with us or call us chilcren.

[Sophia]

chilcren = children
Eating and typing with one finger isn't easy when you are used to typing with all of them.

[Quickdraw]

OK, SOPHIA. Thats enough!!

Stand in the corner until further notice!
And we'd better not catch you peeking.

[Sophia]

You are just way too strict, one typo and it's the dreaded corner!

[loochie]

Originally posted by Brad
LOL....Speaking of Brad being on the firing squad next....Are you guys psychic or something? (I already know you are psycho).
I haven't even been posting much over there lately, and I got the dreaded warning that points to a deleted thread that you can't even see the topic of.
Man oh man did I walk into a landmine over there. I had no idea you guys had so much history.

BTW...Hi Kathe
http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/_950/wink.gif

Hi Brad! I knew it wouldn't take you long!

[Sophia]

Are we placing bets to see who is next?

[Quickdraw]

They are shooting anything that moves. They even gave Proboxfan a "warning". I think they consider him a friend of mine and my friends are being targeted.

[tbird]

We're not going to ban anyone here unless they do something illegal that I could be liable for. I would say everyone would agree the stuff people are getting banned for over there is not illegal.

You folks are lucky they just banned you and didn't start calling your business pretending like they were doing a story on your business trying to get your address, etc.

Thank goodness for caller ID.

[tbird]

Originally posted by AZ Yellowbird
That is the only way I have found to log on so far. Is there an easier way? Also, any way to keep it from asking me if I want to bookmark it every time I visit?

Sounds to me like you have your cookies disabled. Contrary to popular belief cookies are nothing more than a marker, they save your spot so when you come back again, you don't get stuff that you only need to see the first time you visit for instance.

Some over zealous people have damaged the reputation of cookies which are neccessary for many things like shopping carts.

Our site, for example uses a cookie to prevent you from seeing the bookmark thing everytime. It also is used on the login if I recall.

On the main page of the forums http://forums.thunderbirdforum.com/index.php there is a login at the bottom right hand corner.

[loochie]

I LOVE cookies!!!http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/f/jumping.gif especially chocolate chip ones. Whats that? Oh, you meant THAT kind of cookie.......http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/c0/biglaugh.gif

[Sophia]

I love that cookie comercial. At the birthday party the cookie asks, where's the cake, and the little girl says we aren't having cake. Poor cookie.

Kathe started it.

[Quickdraw]

Kathe & Sophia,

I'm pretty sure these are the cookies Tbird is talking about.

http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/mwcookies/

[Sophia]

Quick, I will take a couple of boxes of the T-Bird cookies. Add a few chocolate chips for Kathe.

[loochie]

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/x/foodman.gif mmmmm...as much as I like them, I must refuse them because in a mere 25 days I have to get in a bathing suit! You can have mine, Donna!:D

[Quickdraw]

Where are you going Kathe, and don't tell me you'll be wearing it outside the house in Chicago in a mere 25 days....

[loochie]

You mean you don't put on the ol' bathing suit when the temps hit 50? LOL. I'm going on a cruise to the Virgin Islands, (no comments here, please) then a week in Florida visiting my parents. Then, hopefully, hardtop off here, for the soon-to-be top down weather!

[Sophia]

Go ahead Kathe, make us all feel bad. You could have at least told us you are going to a cold nasty place, so we won't be so jealous.
Anyway, you better have a wonderful time or we will never forgive you.

[loochie]

Originally posted by Sophia
Anyway, you better have a wonderful time or we will never forgive you.

It's a dirty job, but someone has to keep the tourist industry in business! "Yes, I'll have another Pina Colada. Yes, make that with a 151 floater, please."

[Sophia]

You were forgiven until that last remark.
You better make that 2 of those 151 things, or I will tell report you to the other place.

[2002 SR-71]

Originally posted by Sophia
You were forgiven until that last remark.
You better make that 2 of those 151 things, or I will tell report you to the other place.

I used to frequent Crested Butte during ski seasons, and one of the local establishments had a drink made from 151 and a variety of other rums... aptly named "Erase Your Face."

Loochie have fun playing on the beach, and drink a margarita for me.

Jack / 2002 SR-71

[loochie]

Originally posted by 2002 SR-71
I used to frequent Crested Butte during ski seasons, and one of the local establishments had a drink made from 151 and a variety of other rums... aptly named "Erase Your Face."

Loochie have fun playing on the beach, and drink a margarita for me.

Jack / 2002 SR-71
Sorry Jack, I don't like margaritas, but I'll be happy to oblige with lots of Long Island Iced teas and fruity tropical rum drinks! Two more days!!!!!

[Quickdraw]

You're leaving Saturday? I think its going to be in the 70s here on Saturday. :D We missed you last night at the muffler shop. We did make a sound file of Clarence's exhaust system and it will be waiting for you when you get back.

[loochie]

:) Actually, 4:30 am on Sunday....that's against my religion to be up at that hour, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.....:p

Well, I didn't do any of the three things on my choice list last night. No exhaust demo, no concert, no packing. I have been frantically trying to fix my IPOD, which I got for my last birthday, and then spent many weeks copying every cd I own to my computer, then transfering the files to my IPOD, only to find that many songs didn't transfer right, and so are MISSING from my IPOD, and I can't go on vacation without my music, because I go nuts without it.......AAARRRGGGG! I think I got most of the important ones back.:mad: *sigh* As the saying goes.."It's always somethin' "

Well, Harry, if it's going to be in the 70's here, (which I know its not) you'd better get those swim trunks on, or at least take your poor bird out for some exercise! :D

[tbird]

Speaking of iPOD, how do you plan on replacing the batteries when they die?

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com

[Bimota Guy]

Originally posted by tbird
Speaking of iPOD, how do you plan on replacing the batteries when they die?

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com

Read the message linked from the above linked page...
http://ipodsdirtysecret.com/message.html

[Sophia]

Have a wonderful time Kathe!!!!!

[loochie]

Originally posted by tbird
Speaking of iPOD, how do you plan on replacing the batteries when they die?
http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com
As Bimota guy pointed out, they are now replaceable.. If anyone out there has an ipod, or knows someone who does, I highly recommend the book "The Missing Manual-the book that should have been in the box" It is the bible for ipod owners, written by J.D. Biersdorfer. Tells everything you could possibly need to know and then some about the ipod.

[loochie]

Originally posted by Sophia
Have a wonderful time Kathe!!!!!
Thanks Donna! Behave while I'm gone, and don't pick on Quickdraw too much!

[Sophia]

Well I might as well go stand in the corner right now, WAIT SHE SAID "WHILE I AM GONE". I have about 14 hours until she leaves. :D

[tbird]

Originally posted by loochie
As Bimota guy pointed out, they are now replaceable..

You think 105.95 for some Ni-MH batteries is a good deal? Sounds like a big rip off to me, whoever thought of that is very smart.

You don't make a product that uses a consumable part that the consumer cannot replace. I cannot believe they haven't been sued yet.

[loochie]

I have no idea how much it actually costs to replace the battery, but I really don't care. I've wasted far more money than that on cell phones that I keep replacing to get the latest technology available, not to mention the cameras we've gone through, too. I have over 8,000 songs on my ipod, and haven't used even half the memory yet. It's very possible they will come out with a new improved model before my battery dies, which may not even happen.

[Quickdraw]

Welcome back!!!! How was the cruise? Did you get a nice tan?

The ipod takes MP3s? Theres a USB port to download them from the computer? Are you serious, 8,000 songs?

[loochie]

Thanks Harry. Cruise was AWESOME! I had so much fun, drank alot of Martinis and wine...those island drinks fill you up too much. I met alot of fun people, stayed up too late every night.
Good thing I had a week in Florida to recover. Yes, I got very tan, probably the darkest I've ever been. Seven days in the Carribbean sun can really cook you. I had to buy another small suitcase to bring home all my souveniers in!

I double checked my ipod, and due to the problems I was having copying my cds, I realize I have only about 4200 songs on it right now, using up about a third of the memory (which is 40GB). (originally, I thought I had copied over 8,000, but not all of them copied properly due to the fact that I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing) It does use a USB port, you can copy music in several formats, the MP3 being the most compact form..I use the AAC format. It also takes AIFF, WAV, or Audible formats, but they use too much memory.

[Quickdraw]

>>.have only about 4200 <<<<

Still I cant picture you getting tired of hearing them repeat.... bet you haven't listened to them all even once... Thats amazing. Saw a thing on the news tonight advising ipod owners to get cheap black headphones as the white ones are a tip off to grabby thieves.

[loochie]

No, I don't know if I'll ever hear them repeat...what's nice about it is that I take it with me everywhere, and I find myself listening to older stuff that I'd forgotten about, but still love. It's just so much more convenient than carrying a load of cd's around with you. I have such a wide range of interest musically, I can listen to a greater variety without any hassle of picking out what I'll want to listen to each morning as I head out the door. I have a "vacation" playlist which has reggae/beach type music, a workout playlist that keeps me pumped up, "concert" playlists that are my favorite artists/groups in concert.....the possibilities are endless.

I don't use the headphones that came with it, (they are the "ear bud" types, which I hate) I use cheap fold-up ones that are quite easy to carry around.

So, while there is the possible battery problem, (which I am not sure how accurate that claim is), the enjoyment this little gadget brings me is well worth the price it cost to own and operate, and that's my bottom line!

[loochie]

I've been doing a little research, since T-bird brought this up, about the battery. Apple gives it a life anywhere from 2 to 9 years, depending on useage and charging habits. Apple will replace it for $99, or you can do it yourself for around $49. They say they started their battery replacement program before the "Dirty little secret" website even came into being (by about 7 days).

[Quickdraw]

>>>Apple gives it a life anywhere from 2 to 9 years,<<<<

So.... you'll get to listen to your 4,200 tunes at least once before the battery dies.... :D :D

[Sophia]

Welcome home Kathe!! Glad to hear you had a wonderful time.

[loochie]

Thanks! Where ya been?, I was beginning to think you deserted us here.

[Sophia]

I was just sitting here behaving myself.:p

[George]

Wow, just found this thread and there are quite a few from the other site.

[Sonofpern]

im not sure if i remember correctly, but doesnt iPod have windows support now? is sounds bizarre and genious at the same time, but then again, most good ideas in technology marketing do, right?

[loochie]

sonofpern, if you mean that ipod can be used with a pc as well as a mac, then yes, you are correct.

Quickdraw, I've been out of the loop for awhile, but I see you've made a comeback elsewhere..... I have to catch up over there now, but wow, now I can get two times quikdraw for the price of one! :D

[ajsam]

It seems that no matter how well intentioned, these forums eventally fall into the trap of "politics." I also own an Indian Motorcycle and have participated in some of their owners forums. The original forum was hamstrung by in-fighting among the "leaders." It spilled over and affected everyone, folks chose sides, friends became enemies, etc. Eventually, posting really wasn't any fun anymore. Eventually a few like minded folks started another forum and so far it's been pretty fun...NO POLITCS!
That's why I like this place too. Everybody seems pleasant, respectful and focused on our Birds. I've never been to the other site you've mentioned but I really don't see any need to go since I can find pretty much everything I need here. Thanks for allowing me to participate. :)

[George]

AJ: Well said and welcome to the site :D Lots of data in the search bins for you. Enjoy

[Last Resort]

Hummm, I wonder what Indian sites he is talking about? :confused:


It seems that no matter how well intentioned, these forums eventally fall into the trap of "politics." I also own an Indian Motorcycle and have participated in some of their owners forums. The original forum was hamstrung by in-fighting among the "leaders." It spilled over and affected everyone, folks chose sides, friends became enemies, etc. Eventually, posting really wasn't any fun anymore. Eventually a few like minded folks started another forum and so far it's been pretty fun...NO POLITCS!
That's why I like this place too. Everybody seems pleasant, respectful and focused on our Birds. I've never been to the other site you've mentioned but I really don't see any need to go since I can find pretty much everything I need here. Thanks for allowing me to participate. :)

[Sonofpern]

he may have left out the forum name to avoid pointing fingers, but thats just a character assumption based on a single paragraph, im not trying to make a permanent judgement call, just an observation ;) . well, anyhoo, I bet he'd tell ya if you asked him.